Debates, obviously, were nothing new to Americans, but until 1960, there really had been no formalized debates between the candidates. Sure, Lincoln and Douglas debated seven times, but back then, they were running for the Senate and only later did they become nominees for the Presidency. Finally, Nixon and Kennedy broke the ice and had a polite debate on television and radio. Nixon had been sick, campaigning hard while Kennedy took a little time off to catch some sun and rest. He came across more relaxed and healthier looking on TV. The debate was still almost too close to call, with those watching on Television giving the nod to Kennedy while those who tuned in via the radio thought Nixon had won it. Of course, we all know who won the election.
I remember in grade school, hearing the magic words ring out after school, “a fight, a fight” and we’d all come running to watch. So its not surprising that a debate would be well watched, I mean, after all, isn’t a debate nothing more than a fight with words? Before television, debates could be a little more, heated shall we say. The English had a “debate” that lasted from 1455-1487. They refer to it now as the War of the Roses (the Roses being the badges of the families hailing from York and Lancaster). Of course, there debate was more suited to a Mel Gibson movie than TV. So today, our list is some of the great “debates” of all time.
1) The previously mentioned War of the Roses. While the Kathleen Turner/Michael Douglas movie might be more recent, it certainly did not have the treachery, foreign mercenaries, and a complete change to the way England was ruled. With so many Nobles killing each other, the upper class was weakened, and with the new rulers, from the Tudor family, banning individual armies, it put an end to the violent clashes between the various parties in England.
2) The Hatfield’s and McCoys. There are various reasons why this feud started, some involving a murder, a girl, a pig, and land boundaries. I am sure they were all worth fighting for. The feud lasted nearly 20 years and about a hundred years after the fighting ended, a peace treaty was drawn up.
3) The Capone – Moran debate lasted a mere 5 years, however it attracted the interest of Americans who were stunned at the brutality of the crime lords battle when Capone arranged for the execution style murder of several key members of the Moran gang on Valentines Day. The crooks were even dressed as cops. Afterwards, the public outcry caused the government, to renew their effort to stop organized crime and within a few years, both gangs were effectively out of business.
4) The Clanton – Earp debate. Two successful groups in Tombstone were at the opposite sides of nearly every issue in town gathered a few advisers and met at the OK corral for their untelevised debate. While Wyatt Earp was widely regarded as merely trying to uphold the law with Doc Holliday’s help, you really need to read the Wiki article about what was going on to fully get a grasp at how deep their debate really extended. Check it out here!
5) The Scottish Clans knew how to debate. Their history is filled with warring families and deep rooted animosity. Sir Walter Scott’s novel, The Fair Maiden of Perth describes one sanctioned debate, to the death no less, of 30 combatants. I guess you had to be there.
6) Of course, how could we forget some of the fictional feuds. The Montague – Capulet feud has given us more movies, songs, and books than any non religious event in History. In fact, Romeo and Juliet have already made an appearance on this blog, and I am sure they will time and time again.
7) The Corleone/Tattaglia debate gave us one of the best movies ever made, and two others that weren’t bad. The Godfather movies are mentioned highly and often on most lists of all-time great movies, and with good reason, we all like to watch a fight.
8) Would we have like to watch the head of the Treasury Department duel the Vice President? Ok, maybe Paulson and Cheney aren’t clearing underbrush for their debate but there was a time when Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton mixed it up with Burr clearly winning. Hamilton died the next day.
9) There are too many hip-hop feuds to list, but most the most famous has to be the Tupic/Notorious BIG feud ended with them both getting killed. Since then, if you want to be someone, you have to be fighting with someone. So far, it seems to be working.
10) We could go on for days and days, Shaq/Kobe, David/Goliath, Potter/Voldermart, Bush/Hussein but I’d never get around to writing tomorrows list. But for more, check out CelebrityFeuds.com